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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 7:00:07 GMT -5
Would like to know why Cincinnati is "HUGE" and Texas is "Big" whereas Houston is "Average"; please see www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-marketsI think Houston should be at least "Very Large" if not "Big" |
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Post by steve on Jan 25, 2013 13:44:28 GMT -5
yeah milwaukee should be huge
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Post by Ashes on Jan 25, 2013 13:51:48 GMT -5
Houston's market actually isn't that good for sports outside of football
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Post by Ashes on Jan 25, 2013 13:53:24 GMT -5
So I'm not sure going with that list is best. And man considering how large Houston it's pretty sad how low we are
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Post by Nanz on Jan 25, 2013 14:54:17 GMT -5
Houston's market actually isn't that good for sports outside of football |
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Post by bravesgm on Jan 25, 2013 15:11:45 GMT -5
Houston's market actually isn't that good for sports outside of football Even in the time period we're in when they were top of the division each season? |
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Post by twinsgm on Jan 25, 2013 15:32:42 GMT -5
Houston fans are fickle. they support the astros but dont go to games. Though back in the 90's and early 2000 it seemed that there were big crowds.
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Post by Ashes on Jan 25, 2013 15:36:45 GMT -5
Houston's market actually isn't that good for sports outside of football Even in the time period we're in when they were top of the division each season? I still wouldn't say we have ever been a top 10 sports market. Maybe not even top 15. It's pretty sad |
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Post by Ashes on Jan 25, 2013 15:37:27 GMT -5
Also the astrodome was stupid deceptive how many people were actually there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 16:26:19 GMT -5
Houston's market actually isn't that good for sports outside of football I think you are confusing Market Size for Fan Loyalty. As an example, in football no less, the Green Bay market is small, but has tremendously HUGE fan loyalty. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 16:28:37 GMT -5
Houston fans are fickle. they support the astros but dont go to games. Though back in the 90's and early 2000 it seemed that there were big crowds. Replace astros with braves and it's no different. It happens. Large markets does not equal large fan following. I'm just saying my Market Size should be Very Large or Big, but wouldn't say Huge. Huge should be for LA, NY, Chicago only. To say Cincinnati is a Huge market is laughable. |
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Post by bigbuhner on Jan 25, 2013 17:30:04 GMT -5
Is this the link where we men get to gripe about our size?
Everything is fine here!
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Post by danchevy on Jan 25, 2013 17:52:59 GMT -5
i feel like my Slightly Above average market is small in comparison to the interest of the jay in the 90's.
They still are and were at the time one of the top 10 or so markets in the majors. And after winning the world series in 92, they saw a huge fan base increase through to the early 2000's.
Also there truly are no other competing sports in Toronto. Its not like there are any other Major league teams nearby for fans to be split by. Hockey and Baseball are the only two real sports played at a Major League level and this leaves and is the reason, that the market is and was so large for the Jays.
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Post by danchevy on Jan 25, 2013 17:53:27 GMT -5
Im not saying on par with someone with the yankees or red soxs, but "slightly above average" is a slap in the face in my opinion.
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Post by Nanz on Jan 25, 2013 18:03:28 GMT -5
lol what a jokester
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 18:08:01 GMT -5
i feel like my Slightly Above average market is small in comparison to the interest of the jay in the 90's. They still are and were at the time one of the top 10 or so markets in the majors. And after winning the world series in 92, they saw a huge fan base increase through to the early 2000's. Also there truly are no other competing sports in Toronto. Its not like there are any other Major league teams nearby for fans to be split by. Hockey and Baseball are the only two real sports played at a Major League level and this leaves and is the reason, that the market is and was so large for the Jays. I agree, the GTA is, I believe, one of the top 5 markets in the North American continent. I would imagine, if being fair, Toronto should be "Big" along with Philadelphia, Texas (DFW) and San Fran / Oakland. Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, etc. should be Very Large. These should not be debatable, IMO. The trickier part is how to judge Fan Loyalty (not Fan Interest). I think a lot of teams, particularly those that had just began to rebuild, suffered from the '94 strike. I don't know what Toronto's Fan Loyalty should be, but I would guess Average to Above-Average off the top of my head, but that definitely is debatable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 18:10:09 GMT -5
Even Boston isn't a terribly large market, barely larger than Houston and Atlanta. But in all fairness, Boston's Fan Loyalty should be off the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 18:12:13 GMT -5
I mean, for god's sake, if you double Cincinnati's market, it is about the size of Minneapolis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2013 18:20:21 GMT -5
I mean, for god's sake, if you double Cincinnati's market, it is about the size of Minneapolis. And I'm going to gripe about this until this is adjusted. I wouldn't say it's a mistake, but it's something that is not realistic. |
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Post by danchevy on Jan 25, 2013 18:45:37 GMT -5
i feel like my Slightly Above average market is small in comparison to the interest of the jay in the 90's. They still are and were at the time one of the top 10 or so markets in the majors. And after winning the world series in 92, they saw a huge fan base increase through to the early 2000's. Also there truly are no other competing sports in Toronto. Its not like there are any other Major league teams nearby for fans to be split by. Hockey and Baseball are the only two real sports played at a Major League level and this leaves and is the reason, that the market is and was so large for the Jays. I agree, the GTA is, I believe, one of the top 5 markets in the North American continent. I would imagine, if being fair, Toronto should be "Big" along with Philadelphia, Texas (DFW) and San Fran / Oakland. Houston, Atlanta, Detroit, etc. should be Very Large. These should not be debatable, IMO. The trickier part is how to judge Fan Loyalty (not Fan Interest). I think a lot of teams, particularly those that had just began to rebuild, suffered from the '94 strike. I don't know what Toronto's Fan Loyalty should be, but I would guess Average to Above-Average off the top of my head, but that definitely is debatable. ya my fan loyalty sitting at average right now is fair in my opinion. But i like the idea of big on market size, and i agree with the other statements you have made. My loyalty will go up by itself seeing as i have a team fielded from this season on pretty much. Hopefully Erbes see's this and can adjust it fairly soon, as i feel some teams are missing out on a lot of money, and teams like Oakland who are sitting on "really big" market size, i think thats rediculous. Meaning they are making far to much money. |
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Post by Nanz on Jan 25, 2013 18:49:03 GMT -5
a lot of points being made here imo
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Post by danchevy on Jan 25, 2013 18:49:49 GMT -5
a lot of points being made here imo Oakland and Cinc's markets are stupid right now, i was wondering why Oakland was sitting on so much cash when the free agents and international signings came up. |
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Post by Ashes on Jan 25, 2013 18:52:17 GMT -5
Houston's market actually isn't that good for sports outside of football I think you are confusing Market Size for Fan Loyalty. As an example, in football no less, the Green Bay market is small, but has tremendously HUGE fan loyalty. I'm really not though. The market for sports here sucks. The television market doesn't tell the whole story. Houston has good fans, but we don't watch shit on tv unless its football |
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Post by Ashes on Jan 25, 2013 18:53:07 GMT -5
Cinci's market is high though
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Post by RoyalsGM on Jan 25, 2013 19:03:01 GMT -5
I think you are confusing Market Size for Fan Loyalty. As an example, in football no less, the Green Bay market is small, but has tremendously HUGE fan loyalty. I'm really not though. The market for sports here sucks. The television market doesn't tell the whole story. Houston has good fans, but we don't watch shit on tv unless its football that has nothing to do with market size. Houston is one of the largest cities in the U.S. That's what it means. It has nothing to do with who watches what. |
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