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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 19:48:32 GMT -5
This definitely needs to get discussed.
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Post by Birdie Sanders on Sept 29, 2013 20:02:40 GMT -5
You mean poor break? I got Manny for Kubel 100% ok with that. What did Break get for Kubel? Dan Johnson And guess who has him now...
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Post by Birdie Sanders on Sept 29, 2013 20:06:31 GMT -5
I think I'm going to eliminate the franchise player. I hate it. Well you are kinda fucking up the reason for a franchise player by only limiting it to home grown guys tbh...
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Post by Free Stutter! on Sept 29, 2013 20:34:00 GMT -5
I like the idea of homegrown guys being the franchise player.
I just don't like Erbes making that rule retroactive. It should start with the 03 draft. Not fair to guys who already had players in the minors that they were waiting to develop to franchise.
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Post by steve on Sept 29, 2013 20:36:51 GMT -5
they could be grandfathered in
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 21:46:20 GMT -5
That's what should happen, but I doubt he fixes his blunder.
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Post by Erbes on Sept 29, 2013 21:50:37 GMT -5
How is it a blunder? Did you say anything when the rule went into place? I think Broph was the only one who mentioned it at the time and nobody backed him so I didn't give it a second thought.
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Post by Erbes on Sept 29, 2013 21:51:01 GMT -5
People only like to complain about rules after the fact when it effects them.
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Post by Erbes on Sept 29, 2013 21:53:49 GMT -5
And I love how people think I refuse to adjust rules once I implement them. I've adjusted almost every single rule... franchise player, competitiveness, merchandise, board cash, etc. I think it would be more accurate to say that I have no spine and refuse to stick up for the rules as they stand. If you're going to criticize me at least do it right.
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Post by steve on Sept 29, 2013 21:55:24 GMT -5
you have no spine you spineless cretin
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Post by Erbes on Sept 29, 2013 21:56:34 GMT -5
THANK YOU
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 22:03:37 GMT -5
When was this rule even discussed, though?
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Post by Erbes on Sept 29, 2013 22:04:55 GMT -5
You had all winter meetings to bring it up. Just like everyone else.
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Post by Erbes on Sept 29, 2013 22:05:42 GMT -5
I believe Spence started the discussion right on the first page.
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 22:08:08 GMT -5
So we go with whatever Spence says? LOL...I guess I gotta pay more attention to the Winter Meetings then.
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 22:09:08 GMT -5
what's the point in limiting the franchise player to a guy you drafted? the rule is about protecting players, not about adhering to yankee fans' weird idea about who's a True Yankee
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Post by Birdie Sanders on Sept 29, 2013 22:10:24 GMT -5
So we go with whatever Spence says? LOL...I guess I gotta pay more attention to the Winter Meetings then.
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Post by Erbes on Sept 29, 2013 22:13:35 GMT -5
what's the point in limiting the franchise player to a guy you drafted? the rule is about protecting players, not about adhering to yankee fans' weird idea about who's a True Yankee Way to find one quote to support you and ignore the rest.
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 22:17:36 GMT -5
I didn't ignore anything...that's how I feel about the rule...I would have voiced my opinion if I actually checked the thread.
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 22:20:01 GMT -5
using steve's situation though, you would have to give everyone an indefinite window. To me, that's just unrealistic. for two players that were on his roster with the option to franchise before a sudden and arbitrary rule change? hell yes he deserves that right. In the future limit it all you want, but it significantly changes the way teams woulda valued their players had they known what was going to occur
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 22:20:20 GMT -5
meh, that's true. Maybe i was focusing too much on one situation. Hanley was already in the majors so steve decided he was ready. If he really wanted to franchise him, he should have been allowed to in the minimal window i proposed. Going ape shit after a good pd on the third sim of the season is pretty bad though. he was trying to decide between Utley and Hanley, he still has Utley to franchise, just wishes he woulda had the choice. It was a tough call til Hanley blew up. So there was a reason he wanted to wait, and that option shouldnt arbitrarily be taken away.
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 22:21:43 GMT -5
It's whatever...in all honesty, if you get rid of the franchise rule, then that would be okay with me as well.
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Post by Erbes on Sept 29, 2013 22:23:34 GMT -5
Lol none of that was in the Winter Meetings thread...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 22:25:44 GMT -5
omg can I have some fucking board cash
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Post by Steve on Sept 29, 2013 22:29:54 GMT -5
Okay and? You screwed up implementing the rule...if you're going to do it, then it should have been properly done.
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