Broph
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Post by Broph on Sept 28, 2013 16:13:42 GMT -5
far worse than any of this though is Erbes feeling he can give himself cash for picks he didnt make
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Post by Steve on Sept 28, 2013 16:14:56 GMT -5
I know this doesn't pertain to exactly what we are talking about, but take Utley for example...I could have franchised him last season, but I'm not. I'd rather wait as long as I can...just in case he gets another good PD...
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Post by Youth Movement on Sept 28, 2013 16:15:05 GMT -5
It wasn't a tough call. Hanley was already better and had more value than Chase prior to the pd explosion.
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Post by Broph on Sept 28, 2013 16:15:49 GMT -5
It wasn't a tough call. Hanley was already better and had more value than Chase prior to the pd explosion. lol, no, Utley is B/G/F/G/A/G with B/A speed potential |
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Post by Steve on Sept 28, 2013 16:15:54 GMT -5
meh, that's true. Maybe i was focusing too much on one situation. Hanley was already in the majors so steve decided he was ready. If he really wanted to franchise him, he should have been allowed to in the minimal window i proposed. Going ape shit after a good pd on the third sim of the season is pretty bad though. he was trying to decide between Utley and Hanley, he still has Utley to franchise, just wishes he woulda had the choice. It was a tough call til Hanley blew up. So there was a reason he wanted to wait, and that option shouldnt arbitrarily be taken away. Case and point... |
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Post by Broph on Sept 28, 2013 16:16:24 GMT -5
and acceptable 2B D
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Post by Youth Movement on Sept 28, 2013 16:16:32 GMT -5
using steve's situation though, you would have to give everyone an indefinite window. To me, that's just unrealistic.
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Post by Steve on Sept 28, 2013 16:16:37 GMT -5
It wasn't a tough call. Hanley was already better and had more value than Chase prior to the pd explosion. You fucking told me Hanley wasn't even franchise worthy...so shut the fuck up. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 28, 2013 16:17:05 GMT -5
It wasn't a tough call. Hanley was already better and had more value than Chase prior to the pd explosion. lol, no, Utley is B/G/F/G/A/G with B/A speed potential |
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Post by Broph on Sept 28, 2013 16:18:10 GMT -5
using steve's situation though, you would have to give everyone an indefinite window. To me, that's just unrealistic. for two players that were on his roster with the option to franchise before a sudden and arbitrary rule change? hell yes he deserves that right. In the future limit it all you want, but it significantly changes the way teams woulda valued their players had they known what was going to occur |
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Post by Youth Movement on Sept 28, 2013 16:18:44 GMT -5
It wasn't a tough call. Hanley was already better and had more value than Chase prior to the pd explosion. You fucking told me Hanley wasn't even franchise worthy...so shut the fuck up. ummm, he wasn't. Have i said anything to the contrary in this thread so nah, you shut the fuck up. Just shale'd yourself. I wouldn't have franchised either but you thought different. YOU complaining after a good pd and 3rd sim is nothing less than bitch made. |
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Post by Broph on Sept 28, 2013 16:20:54 GMT -5
Chase is pretty clearly franchise worthy
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Post by Steve on Sept 28, 2013 16:21:22 GMT -5
Please, I have every right to complain. I acquired Hanley for the very likely possibility of franchising him...so whatever.
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Post by Youth Movement on Sept 28, 2013 16:21:45 GMT -5
using steve's situation though, you would have to give everyone an indefinite window. To me, that's just unrealistic. for two players that were on his roster with the option to franchise before a sudden and arbitrary rule change? hell yes he deserves that right. In the future limit it all you want, but it significantly changes the way teams woulda valued their players had they known what was going to occur he should have allowed a minimal window. I disagree that he should have let people take the "wait and see" approach. Either let us know a year ahead of time so players in upcoming draft are not included or set a hard time frame. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 28, 2013 16:21:58 GMT -5
Yeah, saying Utley isn't franchise worthy is laughable.
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Post by Youth Movement on Sept 28, 2013 16:22:26 GMT -5
Chase is pretty clearly franchise worthy I wouldn't franchise him, that's my opinion. There's only a handful of guys i would franchise in this league. |
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Post by Broph on Sept 28, 2013 16:22:35 GMT -5
for two players that were on his roster with the option to franchise before a sudden and arbitrary rule change? hell yes he deserves that right. In the future limit it all you want, but it significantly changes the way teams woulda valued their players had they known what was going to occur he should have allowed a minimal window. I disagree that he should have let people take the "wait and see" approach. Either let us know a year ahead of time so players in upcoming draft are not included or set a hard time frame. he didnt give a year (which had he, Pittsburgh would be fine), he just ended everything |
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Post by Youth Movement on Sept 28, 2013 16:23:25 GMT -5
Yeah, saying Utley isn't franchise worthy is laughable. no, it isn't. I wouldn't franchise him. I just have a higher standard, don't hate. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 28, 2013 16:24:08 GMT -5
It is what it is, but it would have been nice to be given a season (before Utley turned 25 in this case) to make a decision on who I was going to franchise.
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Post by Youth Movement on Sept 28, 2013 16:25:16 GMT -5
he should have allowed a minimal window. I disagree that he should have let people take the "wait and see" approach. Either let us know a year ahead of time so players in upcoming draft are not included or set a hard time frame. he didnt give a year (which had he, Pittsburgh would be fine), he just ended everything yea, but implementing a rule and then saying "just let players from the upcoming draft forward be under this umbrella". I mean, people acquire picks and trade them. Why should draftees be phased into the new rule immediately, but not the old ones? To me, that's a double standard. |
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Post by Broph on Sept 28, 2013 16:25:46 GMT -5
Chase is pretty clearly franchise worthy I wouldn't franchise him, that's my opinion. There's only a handful of guys i would franchise in this league. ehh, he'll be a .900 OPS player at 2B, thats huge add the speed, thats even better |
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Post by Broph on Sept 28, 2013 16:26:40 GMT -5
he didnt give a year (which had he, Pittsburgh would be fine), he just ended everything yea, but implementing a rule and then saying "just let players from the upcoming draft forward be under this umbrella". I mean, people acquire picks and trade them. Why should draftees be phased into the new rule immediately, but not the old ones? To me, that's a double standard.  ? if you draft the guy, you can franchise him still, so it doesnt change anything at all there, if you have a pick, you still drafted him, whether its your pick or somebody elses |
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Post by Steve on Sept 28, 2013 16:26:44 GMT -5
I wouldn't franchise him, that's my opinion. There's only a handful of guys i would franchise in this league. ehh, he'll be a .900 OPS player at 2B, thats huge add the speed, thats even better He had a .850 OPS rookie year, and his HRs aren't even close to being done development-wise. |
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Post by Youth Movement on Sept 28, 2013 16:26:44 GMT -5
It is what it is, but it would have been nice to be given a season (before Utley turned 25 in this case) to make a decision on who I was going to franchise. meh, play made a thread to speak out against the rule. It's just disappointing that no one else targeted the rule in general. It seemed like most people were focused on ashes situation. |
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Post by Broph on Sept 28, 2013 16:27:09 GMT -5
people traded away and for picks with the understanding they could franchise those players...that doesnt change at all with the rule change
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? if you draft the guy, you can franchise him still, so it doesnt change anything at all there, if you have a pick, you still drafted him, whether its your pick or somebody elses