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Post by Captain America on Feb 12, 2013 19:41:35 GMT -5
He hasn't officially been booted...
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Post by Captain America on Feb 12, 2013 19:42:50 GMT -5
the end result is correct, the way we got there was probably suspect but the committee should have been summoned from the beginning. Same with the manny trade. Again, in a situation like this, the entire league should have had a say. In real life MLB owners meetings, all 30 owners have a say in everything. It isn't just the high payroll teams that have all the power.
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Post by Ashes on Feb 12, 2013 19:43:05 GMT -5
Seems like some of the responses are that they voted no on the deal specifically because players were going to Toronto?starting to get the feeling that if I was offered the exact same deal from let say Phili, that there may have been very little fuss. No sure I'm liking what I'm hearing, seeing some immaturity at first, but this shows a large portion of the league may be immature and that worries me. Man it really has nothing to do with it being Toronto. It could have been with play and I would still said it was bullshit, and I like play the most here. Didn't matter who was getting this deal from you, either way they would have been fleecing you and this whole league.
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Post by Youth Movement on Feb 12, 2013 19:43:16 GMT -5
disappointed in game.
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Post by Captain America on Feb 12, 2013 19:43:34 GMT -5
I don't care about the outcome itself as much as I care about not having a say in what happened, which is rather unfair.
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Post by johnppd on Feb 12, 2013 19:43:39 GMT -5
the end result is correct, the way we got there was probably suspect but the committee should have been summoned from the beginning. Same with the manny trade. This comment hear is shocked, a player bringing up a deal that was put through when clearly there was issues with it. When my deal which we reworked and I thought was much better then before, for "me" is being put to a random committee, of what I find no offense but multiple very immature people, to judge and veto my trade?
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Post by Youth Movement on Feb 12, 2013 19:43:57 GMT -5
the end result is correct, the way we got there was probably suspect but the committee should have been summoned from the beginning. Same with the manny trade. Again, in a situation like this, the entire league should have had a say. In real life MLB owners meetings, all 30 owners have a say in everything. It isn't just the high payroll teams that have all the power. no, not every owner has a say in a given trade. Only the mlbpa and commish do, let's be realistic.
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Post by Ashes on Feb 12, 2013 19:44:18 GMT -5
what was the criteria for the trade committee? it seems one gm, not the commish, just decided on who the committee was. I would like to have some information as to their selection, minus the commish of course. I also assume there was no information on the collusion mentioned earlier? If the trade committee is heavily weighted towards one league, or one division, that is poor. It seems like we have had about 5 knee jerk reactions made in the last 24 hours and I for one would like to feel these deciscions have been made in the best interest of the league. I agree with Philly here...I noticed I didn't get a request for a vote. Why? Because I bet Erbes and everyone else assumed that I was going favor Danchevy just because I know him. The fact of the matter though is that I wouldn't back him up just to back him up. I would have given an honest and truthful vote to the process. I'm not butt hurt or anything that I wasn't chosen, but again, in a serious situation like this, I still believe every single GM should have a say...even Detroit and the Angels, as inactive as they may be. Lol so it would have been 10-1 veto then? What difference does that make? I didn't get a vote either, so how about we make it 11-1 then?
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Post by Youth Movement on Feb 12, 2013 19:45:15 GMT -5
the end result is correct, the way we got there was probably suspect but the committee should have been summoned from the beginning. Same with the manny trade. This comment hear is shocked, a player bringing up a deal that was put through when clearly there was issues with it. When my deal which we reworked and I thought was much better then before, for "me" is being put to a random committee, of what I find no offense but multiple very immature people, to judge and veto my trade? No, immature is claiming immaturity just because someone disagrees with you and vote on something they feel is best for the league.
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Post by bigbuhner on Feb 12, 2013 19:45:18 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with outcome.
I don't have problem with committee, cause it is not really gonna be an issue much IMO.
What I DO WANT TO KNOW....
names of the 5 members of committee and teams they run.
If they are all in the AL, or heavily weighted in one division, we need to adjust the committee for biases.
Just post the committee members and their respective teams.
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Post by Youth Movement on Feb 12, 2013 19:45:46 GMT -5
I don't care about the outcome itself as much as I care about not having a say in what happened, which is rather unfair. smh at the egotism
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Post by Captain America on Feb 12, 2013 19:46:05 GMT -5
Haha everyone is still assuming I would've been in favor of the trade!!! When did I say those exact words? Maybe I did feel it was unfair, but you all will never know for sure because I was never officially asked.
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Post by Ashes on Feb 12, 2013 19:46:17 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with outcome. I don't have problem with committee, cause it is not really gonna be an issue much IMO. What I DO WANT TO KNOW.... names of the 5 members of committee and teams they run. If they are all in the AL, or heavily weighted in one division, we need to adjust the committee for biases. Just post the committee members and their respective teams. Did you not read erbes' post? He asked more than just the standard committee on this one. And the standard committee is already common knowledge.
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Post by Youth Movement on Feb 12, 2013 19:46:28 GMT -5
so whose in the committee? i keep getting pm's to vote, am i in the committee? I asked a lot of people this time around. At least 10 and they all said veto. The usual committee is Spencer, Nanz, Jah, Steve, and myself. Giants, Mariners, Orioles, Brewers, Yankees
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Post by Captain America on Feb 12, 2013 19:46:48 GMT -5
I don't care about the outcome itself as much as I care about not having a say in what happened, which is rather unfair. smh at the egotism It's not egotism...it's fairness
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Post by Ashes on Feb 12, 2013 19:47:32 GMT -5
Haha everyone is still assuming I would've been in favor of the trade!!! When did I say those exact words? Maybe I did feel it was unfair, but you all will never know for sure because I was never officially asked. Neither was I, so once again, who cares? I don't know you at all nor do I know your relationship with these other GMs. All I know and care about is that the trades, both original and reworked, were complete and utter ass.
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Post by johnppd on Feb 12, 2013 19:48:02 GMT -5
This comment hear is shocked, a player bringing up a deal that was put through when clearly there was issues with it. When my deal which we reworked and I thought was much better then before, for "me" is being put to a random committee, of what I find no offense but multiple very immature people, to judge and veto my trade? No, immature is claiming immaturity just because someone disagrees with you and vote on something they feel is best for the league. No the immaturity claim was based on the name calling that happened, and the way people blew up. It's very simple to voice concern in one posts or a to the commish. But the amount of sheer vulgar language and uncalled for statement is just astonishing.
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Post by Youth Movement on Feb 12, 2013 19:48:15 GMT -5
It's not egotism...it's fairness nah, you need to back off on the real man. There is a trade committee this ain't the government, we only need a handful of guys and you or me ain't one of them, plain and simple
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Post by Ashes on Feb 12, 2013 19:48:32 GMT -5
We get it. You don't like bad words. Okay.
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Post by Youth Movement on Feb 12, 2013 19:49:21 GMT -5
I'll censor my shit from now on and make sure i utilize all the constituent elements of Aristotelian argumentation.
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Post by bigbuhner on Feb 12, 2013 19:49:25 GMT -5
I asked a lot of people this time around. At least 10 and they all said veto. The usual committee is Spencer, Nanz, Jah, Steve, and myself. Giants, Mariners, Orioles, Brewers, Yankees Thank you. That seems fair. Do we need to also list, perhaps, two alternates. This might be important just in case there is a deal between two of the committee members. I doubt that a shitburger deal like this would go down between those teams, but you never know, so put two alternates in place just for fairness if two of the committee teams make a deal. I'm not trying to stir up crap, just want to see a solid resolution going forward. Sorry if I offended anybody, except the Royals!
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Post by johnppd on Feb 12, 2013 19:49:49 GMT -5
We get it. You don't like bad words. Okay. Again as I stated , clearly an immature Internet tough statement. Still now reinforcing why the old Cinc gm left.
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Post by Youth Movement on Feb 12, 2013 19:50:17 GMT -5
Yea, i vote rockies to be an alternate just to avoid this senseless equality convo in the future.
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Post by Captain America on Feb 12, 2013 19:50:51 GMT -5
I will say though that the timing of Dan/Toronto asking Cinci for that trade proposal wasn't exactly the best. I personally would've waited maybe a month within the league itself (as in not real time) to have made the trade proposal.
That said, I think the timing of the trade proposal made the trade look that much worse...
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Post by Youth Movement on Feb 12, 2013 19:51:48 GMT -5
I think their ip locations made it look much worse
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