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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 20:09:32 GMT -5
We could argue all day about park factors and play the "what if" game and shit. But the raw numbers are what they are. And at the end of the day, that's what matters.
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Post by Birdie Sanders on Mar 13, 2014 20:18:23 GMT -5
Dude even my infield of Agon and Gotay is probably better if we're going on talent ratings. Feel like we talk about how delusional Shale is atleast once a day.
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Post by Free Stutter! on Mar 13, 2014 21:39:37 GMT -5
We could argue all day about park factors and play the "what if" game and shit. But the raw numbers are what they are. And at the end of the day, that's what matters. raw numbers? Spencer infield shits all over yours dude...Thats a fact.
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Post by Free Stutter! on Mar 13, 2014 21:40:38 GMT -5
Your infield is average.
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Post by Free Stutter! on Mar 13, 2014 21:42:25 GMT -5
Not even top 4 in the national league.
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Post by Broph on Mar 13, 2014 22:00:19 GMT -5
We could argue all day about park factors and play the "what if" game and shit. But the raw numbers are what they are. And at the end of the day, that's what matters. umm, no, raw numbers mean absolutely nothing without context. you have 2 batters hitting with an OPS of better than .800 on the road...Anderson is at .945, Burnitz is at 1.037, outside that, its ugly, really ugly. Gonzalez .795, decent, then Wright .689, Hart .662, Aurilla .632, Feliciano .568, Alfonzo .612, Gibbons .657 thats awful, your stadium however makes all these guys look far far better than they actually are...your inability to see this is why you will be irrelevant in the NL West, soon
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Post by Broph on Mar 13, 2014 22:03:14 GMT -5
offered two guys with the unknown ratings and talents, all you can see are a guys stats, both have identical overall stats, and lefty righty splits. Home Road split is not available but one plays in your stadium, one in Spencers, you easily take Spencers every time
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:08:57 GMT -5
We could argue all day about park factors and play the "what if" game and shit. But the raw numbers are what they are. And at the end of the day, that's what matters. umm, no, raw numbers mean absolutely nothing without context. you have 2 batters hitting with an OPS of better than .800 on the road...Anderson is at .945, Burnitz is at 1.037, outside that, its ugly, really ugly. Gonzalez .795, decent, then Wright .689, Hart .662, Aurilla .632, Feliciano .568, Alfonzo .612, Gibbons .657 thats awful, your stadium however makes all these guys look far far better than they actually are...your inability to see this is why you will be irrelevant in the NL West, soon Irrelevant soon? GTFO This is my time to shine for the rest of the decade and prove all you bitchy haters wrong
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:10:36 GMT -5
Keep hating away...just fuels me up even more to continue to do well and get a well deserved last laugh
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Post by Broph on Mar 13, 2014 22:12:50 GMT -5
umm, no, raw numbers mean absolutely nothing without context. you have 2 batters hitting with an OPS of better than .800 on the road...Anderson is at .945, Burnitz is at 1.037, outside that, its ugly, really ugly. Gonzalez .795, decent, then Wright .689, Hart .662, Aurilla .632, Feliciano .568, Alfonzo .612, Gibbons .657 thats awful, your stadium however makes all these guys look far far better than they actually are...your inability to see this is why you will be irrelevant in the NL West, soon Irrelevant soon? GTFO This is my time to shine for the rest of the decade and prove all you bitchy haters wrong you still didnt even see it
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Post by Broph on Mar 13, 2014 22:15:30 GMT -5
you seem to somehow think that players putting up solid numbers overall in your stadium means you have some amazing offense. Hate to break the news to you shale, but both teams get that advantage, so when you go up against a team with an actually great offense there...well, it wont end well
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:15:34 GMT -5
Irrelevant soon? GTFO This is my time to shine for the rest of the decade and prove all you bitchy haters wrong you still didnt even see it Nah I read it. Saw the points you made. They were very respectable. I disagree with some of them but that's ok. The other shit just jumped out at me a bit more.
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:16:35 GMT -5
you seem to somehow think that players putting up solid numbers overall in your stadium means you have some amazing offense. Hate to break the news to you shale, but both teams get that advantage, so when you go up against a team with an actually great offense there...well, it wont end well Then let's see them do just that then. I'll be waiting.
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:17:02 GMT -5
No shit both teams get the advantage, so let's just see how often your theories end up happening.
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Post by Broph on Mar 13, 2014 22:17:29 GMT -5
you still didnt even see it Nah I read it. Saw the points you made. They were very respectable. I disagree with some of them but that's ok. The other shit just jumped out at me a bit more. how, please, explain how you can disagree with that
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:20:39 GMT -5
Nah I read it. Saw the points you made. They were very respectable. I disagree with some of them but that's ok. The other shit just jumped out at me a bit more. how, please, explain how you can disagree with that Better yet, let me ask you something... The way I see it, anyone with good and 6+ in hits should be able to hit well at any stadium, right? Same with good and 6+ in homers. So then why at some of the pitcher's parks are those hitters struggling? Good hits should mean any hitter should be able to hit well literally anywhere right? Or do hitters actually need brilliant and 8-9 ratings in hits be absolute beasts at the plate? This is something that makes absolutely no sense to me. Good hits should mean that any hitter with that rating should be able to hit .300+ at any stadium out there. Right? Or is there more to it than just that?
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:21:46 GMT -5
My point is yes Coors Field is amazing, but all my hitters are good in hits and over half are good in homers. Based on that, they should be able to produce at least respectable stats in average and home runs at any stadium. If that's not the case, then it makes no fucking sense.
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Post by Broph on Mar 13, 2014 22:24:34 GMT -5
how, please, explain how you can disagree with that Better yet, let me ask you something... The way I see it, anyone with good and 6+ in hits should be able to hit well at any stadium, right? Same with good and 6+ in homers. So then why at some of the pitcher's parks are those hitters struggling? Good hits should mean any hitter should be able to hit well literally anywhere right? Or do hitters actually need brilliant and 8-9 ratings in hits be absolute beasts at the plate? This is something that makes absolutely no sense to me. Good hits should mean that any hitter with that rating should be able to hit .300+ at any stadium out there. Right? Or is there more to it than just that? a 6 in hits at the low end is a .288or .289, on the high end is a .311 BUT, you have to look at pitching in the league right now, its quite good, so it probably runs to the south of that for this league
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:27:23 GMT -5
Better yet, let me ask you something... The way I see it, anyone with good and 6+ in hits should be able to hit well at any stadium, right? Same with good and 6+ in homers. So then why at some of the pitcher's parks are those hitters struggling? Good hits should mean any hitter should be able to hit well literally anywhere right? Or do hitters actually need brilliant and 8-9 ratings in hits be absolute beasts at the plate? This is something that makes absolutely no sense to me. Good hits should mean that any hitter with that rating should be able to hit .300+ at any stadium out there. Right? Or is there more to it than just that? a 6 in hits at the low end is a .288or .289, on the high end is a .311 BUT, you have to look at pitching in the league right now, its quite good, so it probably runs to the south of that for this league Mehhh I guess that's the thing. My hitters go to pitcher's parks that feature awesome pitching and their road numbers suffer pretty much by default. I don't think they should suffer that much at neutral stadiums though like Shea Stadium for one. I guess that all makes sense, but some of the numbers just look much worse than they should.
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:28:17 GMT -5
Was wondering about that concept for who knows how long...finally remembered to ask about it
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Post by Broph on Mar 13, 2014 22:29:10 GMT -5
looking at your own team isnt enough...you have a max of what, 7 in homers...sure, thats enough to produce power in your stadium, but outside your stadium, thats around a 25 I think? if that even per 550 AB's...plus Pitchers are pretty good at avoiding HRs elsewhere. Look at Pittsburgh then, 9/8/8/9/7/7/8, with a 12, a 10, and a 7 in HR, thats enough power in the center of the lineup and average to expect people to be on when the power guys get up, he doesnt take walks, but has speed and K Avoidance too. Florida has 2 10 HR rating players, plus an 8, a 7, and quite a few on base guys to bat in front of that consistant power, plus enough solid average guys to create a few runs between that. Its not just about contact, its about making sure you have a fit of guys, On Base in front of power, Power, and contact to make sure you consistently create runs
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:29:58 GMT -5
Like earlier today I was wondering how Juan hit 50 homers with the A's in 01 and won't get 50 here this year. Yes, the homers ratings themselves are lower, but it seemed like the home stadium would make up for it in a way. Some of this shit just isn't easy to understand tbh
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Post by Broph on Mar 13, 2014 22:31:06 GMT -5
a 6 in hits at the low end is a .288or .289, on the high end is a .311 BUT, you have to look at pitching in the league right now, its quite good, so it probably runs to the south of that for this league Mehhh I guess that's the thing. My hitters go to pitcher's parks that feature awesome pitching and their road numbers suffer pretty much by default. I don't think they should suffer that much at neutral stadiums though like Shea Stadium for one. I guess that all makes sense, but some of the numbers just look much worse than they should. your hitters dont go to Coors, but they dont play against NL West teams, they play against all teams, so all teams play a fair road schedule and news flash, in the playoffs, you will be going on the road against those elite pitchers...4 times a series
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Post by Broph on Mar 13, 2014 22:31:33 GMT -5
Like earlier today I was wondering how Juan hit 50 homers with the A's in 01 and won't get 50 here this year. Yes, the homers ratings themselves are lower, but it seemed like the home stadium would make up for it in a way. Some of this shit just isn't easy to understand tbh Except My park is a 110 in homers, and he had a 13 rating
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Post by Captain America on Mar 13, 2014 22:31:44 GMT -5
looking at your own team isnt enough...you have a max of what, 7 in homers...sure, thats enough to produce power in your stadium, but outside your stadium, thats around a 25 I think? if that even per 550 AB's...plus Pitchers are pretty good at avoiding HRs elsewhere. Look at Pittsburgh then, 9/8/8/9/7/7/8, with a 12, a 10, and a 7 in HR, thats enough power in the center of the lineup and average to expect people to be on when the power guys get up, he doesnt take walks, but has speed and K Avoidance too. Florida has 2 10 HR rating players, plus an 8, a 7, and quite a few on base guys to bat in front of that consistant power, plus enough solid average guys to create a few runs between that. Its not just about contact, its about making sure you have a fit of guys, On Base in front of power, Power, and contact to make sure you consistently create runs Interesting
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